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Writto In reply to kriegsmaschine [2013-10-28 20:31:41 +0000 UTC]

...czy programistów serii 9000 pierwszy zdradziecki HAL?...

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kriegsmaschine In reply to Writto [2013-10-29 06:55:48 +0000 UTC]

hal miał awarię hydroforu, ot co

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Writto In reply to kriegsmaschine [2013-11-10 08:37:10 +0000 UTC]

Przez chwilę, może. Ale jak zabijał, to niestety był poczytalny

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-10-28 14:28:38 +0000 UTC]

You remember that this prediction was wrong, right?

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jo-i In reply to Writto [2013-10-28 14:46:15 +0000 UTC]

I have to admit never seeing the movie in full. Somehow I got bored halfway through if I remember correctly. That was years ago, though.

And now I probably should hide in shame.

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-10-28 15:03:53 +0000 UTC]

Shame? I don't know. I switched off Shaun of the Dead in the middle, remember? And lots of people love it.

Before I saw Space Odyssey I had seen some movies which focus more on showing things or evoking feelings rather than depicting action (like Koyaanisqatsi, Baraka, Du Levande) and I grew to the idea that I like that type of stuff. For me watching Space Odyssey was having one frisson after another - just because of how beautifully the visuals and the music went together, and how the colours went together, how the camera messed with the idea of "up" and "down", the composition of the frames, aaah, I loved almost everything about it, I could go on and on.

But I'm not surprised that some people don't like it. The things I mentioned above are not things people usually look for in a movie, methinks. And I absolutely can't imagine watching Space Odyssey on TV, broken by advertisements, or with a loud group of friends during a party, and I have a feeling that it is movies which can be watched in that way enjoy the most commercial success/are liked by most people (wonder why ).

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jo-i In reply to Writto [2013-10-30 13:39:09 +0000 UTC]

Maybe I should give it another try, then Just as you should with Shaun of the Dead

And as a matter of fact, I never watch movies on television. Having grown up without a TV never really ingrained in me the idea that there should be 15-minute pauses every five minutes of movie (I might be exaggerating here ).

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-10-30 20:46:05 +0000 UTC]

I will, I will. After I checked out it's soundtrack, for almost a week I've been driving to the university with The Blue Wrath on my earphones, imagining my opening credits for another curious day And I like a lot of other songs, too! So, I gotta watch it at least for the love of the soundtrack

Yeah, I'm a computer-watcher, too. On the other hand, my sister, who got used to watching movies on TV, now gets uncomfortable when she watches a movie and there is no pause for a long time. (Although I must admit that so do I, just not that often. I like the liberty of pushing the play/stop button. And rewinding to watch the scenes again, too... I think that if somebody was forced to watch movies with me the way I privately do it, it could drive them crazy )

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jo-i In reply to Writto [2013-10-31 09:41:26 +0000 UTC]

Hey, that song is kinda catchy Don't overlisten it and hate it some day
(And, uhm, forgive the words, but what the fuck? That soundtrack ranges in price from 57 to 81 EUR on Amazon and not available on my phone's music store either. And they wonder why there are so many people who are downloading music illegally instead of buying it.)

These days I'm mostly a not-computer watcher, to be honest, because it's strange watching movies all for myself, so we use the TV merely as a means of displaying arbitrary video content (hooray for technology that allows streaming videos from my NAS ). That being said, when watching movies at the computer I rarely watch them completely at once. Somehow I'm too easily distracted and need to talk to other people, etc. and so I watch them often in small pieces over the course of a few days. Works fairly well for movies that aren't any good anyway

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-11-04 20:25:04 +0000 UTC]

Well, reaching the saturation point is practically unavoidable if you really like a song (even more unavoidable when you hate it - hereby signed, Captain Obvious). But then, after a while of not listening to it, it will become nice again to hear it once in a while
(I haven't reached the saturation point yet, though! I need this song in my life)
Yeah, about that... long live Spotify and Grooveshark! (The soundtrack is not available on Spotify as a whole though, I had to search all the songs one by one. Maybe it's also cheaper to buy them this way too, dunno.)

Understandable. Hah, making a private TV series (PC series?) out of bad movies, that's an idea I also watched some movies in pieces, but I wouldn't dare to split them into anything more than a trilogy

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jo-i In reply to Writto [2013-11-05 10:28:27 +0000 UTC]

I have found the soundtrack now, used, for 3 EUR, I guess. Which is fine by me, even if I have to rip it myself

Well, there are few ways of legally purchasing music via such services in Germany because they all rather avoid this country because the GEMA makes licensing music for digital sale rather difficult and potentially not very lucrative. Usually I buy music as MP3 on Amazon which is just so convenient that I don't think about it anymore.

Well, some bad movies don't need to be watched at all, I guess. Unless in a form like Mystery Science Theater 3000.

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-11-08 18:37:26 +0000 UTC]

Nice!
Not suggesting anything, but the soundtrack for the whole 'trilogy' works together extremely well as a feel-good sauce

Ahh. Yeah. Gotta love the GEMA.

Haha, interesting, I haven't heard of it before! I'll have to watch it someday!

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jo-i In reply to Writto [2013-11-09 20:30:19 +0000 UTC]

Aaah, so I need to listen to the other ones as well? *takes notes* Not today, though.
Although I guess, what qualifies as feel-good music for either of us might differ sometimes

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-11-10 21:19:57 +0000 UTC]

Anytime you wish, if you wish, relax.

Well, agreed. And types of feeling good differ even for myself, too: action-feeling-good, crazy-feeling-good, chillin'-feeling-good, thoughtful-feeling-good, warm-inside-feeling-good, funny-feeling-good, in-your-face-feeling-good... But I don't believe there is absolutely no kind of your feeling good moods you'd find this music compatible with!

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jo-i In reply to Writto [2013-11-11 10:13:41 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I do wish; it's just a matter of time until I get to it

FOr some weird reason one type of music that I like hearing and makes me feel good is requiems. Don't know why; most people probably would become depressed.

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-11-11 17:17:48 +0000 UTC]

Requiems! That is interesting. Gotta try that once. Could you recommend me some nice ones?

Although the idea of listening to depressing music and feeling better by doing so sounds quite familiar to me. On my side it all depends on how well the music matches my mood. If it's too "happy", it might actually make me feel worse. If it's energizing when I'm having a melancholic mood... If it's deep and thoughtful when I feel like running... and so on, and so forth.

I've read a bit different hypothesis here, it also makes some sense: www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/opi…

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jo-i In reply to Writto [2013-11-11 19:38:35 +0000 UTC]

One I like (maybe because I sang it in a choir once) is John Rutter's . It's very calming and soothing, actually, (not like Mozart who tries to hammer you into the grave (at least it sounds like that, sometimes )) and contains a few English songs based on psalms as well. I could send you our recording one day, if you like (and I could probably still sing along, although only the bass voice isn't that interesting ).
Another one I love is Hector Berlioz' Grande messe des morts. It's grande not only in name, with a large choir and orchestra as well as brass ensembles behind the audience. I would love a chance to hear it live one day, yet never managed so far.

And that's an interesting article there. And yes, I know that too-cheery music can drag me down too, depending on my current state. Weird.

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-11-16 20:36:38 +0000 UTC]

How nice of you to send me the links to wikipedia rather than, say, youtube! I wanted to read about the songs so much more than listen to them

I've managed listened to Rutter's Requiem already though and I really like most of it! I would be very extremely grateful if you sent me your recording! (...Did you learn to sing the whole requiem? )

I will get to Berlioz' Requiem soon And wow, it must be a great experience to hear it with such a surround sound system!

Perhaps it's just that comparing felt and perceived emotion, something the article suggests, works both ways. In this case - "booo, I'm not feeling as happy as this music sounds".
Maybe that's why the most popular songs tend to be so emotionally bland and shallow, or at least balanced - that makes them easier to listen to for people in different moods (since it doesn't affect them) and, in consequence, easier to broadcast.

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jo-i In reply to Writto [2013-11-18 16:28:43 +0000 UTC]

Well, Youtube is a bit ... difficult in Germany. I wouldn't know what I'm sending you because I cannot watch the videos

I can gladly send you the recording of Rutter's requiem if you show up on Skype again And yes, I learned to sing the whole thing. Well, only the bass part, to be honest. I can still sing most of it, actually

As for Berlioz, well, that's the reason why I want to hear it live one day. Neither do I have a surround sound system at home, nor a surround recording of it

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-11-18 23:05:08 +0000 UTC]

Well, true, I tasted a bit of that yucky German youtube when I was on my Erasmus...

Aww, but now it will look like I only showed up for the recording! And it wouldn't be true  

Actually I thought of showing up on Skype today, but working on the report on electronics got a bit out of hand and now I'm too tired to talk... Sad thing is, for a few more days I still won't be able to log in. But I might towards the end of the week

I would be surprised if you'd learned other parts It could be fun to hear the bass part, does anything much happen in it? And I don't know why it kind of surprises me that you are have a bass singing voice. I guess I associated bass with, I don't know, black hair, grown belly, heavy posture, dark skin, probably Italian, something of the kind  (Then again, even when I talk with my male friends it shocks me very often how low they sound It only happens when I speak with them on the phone, though. I can't explain it)

In a way I envy you having a low voice. For the short time when I was singing in the music school choir I'd been hoping to become an alto and trying hard to sing low... but no, not only had I been a soprano, but I could also sing higher than most sopranos in our choir ;/

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jo-i In reply to Writto [2013-11-19 10:18:44 +0000 UTC]

Well, it isn't as bad for live recordings, admittedly, because those are usually subtly different (and more noisy) than the album versions and thus cannot be that easily linked to the original sample. Sometimes it works, but it's rare. That's a nice machine classification problem, by the way – if you're into that branch of computer science

Even if you only showed up for the recording I would be happy to see you We don't need to have twenty-hour conversations every time you show up (which would be kind of hard to fit into my life as well). I will wait until the end of the week, then

And well, I often knew parts of the other voices because you have to know when it's your turn again, and generally you get to know a piece of music quite well when you practice it for months . And no, neither do I have black hair, nor that grown a belly (a little maybe) or heavy posture, nor dark skin (hey, I don't even tan that much in summer), nor Italian. Technically my voice would be baritone, but that's not a choir voice, so I have to either sing bass or tenor. And tenor is usually a bit too high for me (while bass is sometimes too low for me, but I can just leave those notes out instead of trying to reach them anyway (which just sounds bad when doing so with the high notes)).

A friend in school (female) had a deeper voice than me, actually. And my cousin is a soprano, studied singing and reaches lower notes than I am able to sing. But then again, singing is her job

What happened to your choir singing? Didn't like it? Ran out of free time to do it? (That would be my reason, at least – I pretty much stopped after school).

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-11-23 16:08:43 +0000 UTC]

I might actually get somewhere near that branch of computer science, but we'll see how it goes

Yes, I should learn where to stop... other than with a "good night"...

Well, by 'learning' other parts I meant 'being able to sing them', I know you gotta know other parts to know where your part fits...

Haha, I could have guessed all that just by looking at your Skype picture really

Did that friend who had a deeper voice than you smoke?

I was still a kid and my mom would take me home after the choir classes. Then a new school year started and the classes were taking place later. My mom couldn't take me home due to some other things, so she decided I should attend the school "orchestra" (which was actually more of a quartet ) instead, since I was at a high enough level to do it (attending either choir or orchestra was obligatory). I could fight for it and say that I would walk home alone, but... there was a bit of an awkward story with a guy who also attended the choir and in the end I felt a bit relieved to leave. Besides, singing wasn't that big of a passion for me, anyway.

Do you still sing sometimes? Even to yourself?

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jo-i In reply to Writto [2013-11-23 18:14:15 +0000 UTC]

Well, my Skype picture is over ten years old by now, I think That being said, I probably still look a little like that – at least I still have eyes and a nose.

No, that friend did not smoke (I don't tend to befriend lots of smokers because it's hard to breathe in their vicinity ).

Well, I do still sing along to music I listen to, if that counts

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-11-23 20:05:33 +0000 UTC]

Well, even if you don't really look like that anymore, some tendencies can be read from the photo anyway (for example, the tendency not to be Italian ).

Good that you still have eyes and a nose, keep it that way!

(Yeah, me neither. Then again, I don't tend to befriend lots of people in general )

Aww. A bit shame, since, as I gather, you really liked it.
It's a bit sad that singing as an activity is socially dying out, being reserved for the talented'n'promising or religious...

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jo-i In reply to Writto [2013-11-23 21:23:17 +0000 UTC]

I do intend to keep my eyes and nose. Even my ears, actually Makes living so much easier if those things are intact.

Ah well, singing sometimes also seems to be restricted to those who are drunk. Which brings to to approximately three categories of people who sing

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Writto In reply to jo-i [2013-12-06 19:51:34 +0000 UTC]

Well, technically it makes living easier if any part of the body is intact

But I agree wholeheartedly

Good point Reminds me of a surreal situation I recently was in. I was driving in the tram and suddenly heard singing from somewhere behind. It wasn't quite bad, actually - in some language I couldn't identify, maybe Turkish? and with a somewhat oriental feeling to it. One could hear that the guy must have been drunk or drugged, but he still managed to keep style. Apart from his singing there was silence of disgruntled ignoring. I wonder if anybody enjoyed his singing (or, to be more precise, the oddity of the situation) as I did!
I only allowed myself to look at him when I was going out of the tram, and his pose only added to the general weirdness - he was singing half-lying on his seat with a sleepy, bored, and at the same time "I'm so cool with what I'm doing" look on his face.

(I know this story may seem to lack some point, but it's point was only to share an impression.)

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