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PaleCaesar In reply to GoddessOfChange [2019-01-15 19:41:26 +0000 UTC]

Whispering this: yeah; yeah, you're definetely not alone.
Also, agree once again. Gwynevere/Oceiros seems to be such an important plot-line for me: all this DS1-DS3 problematic background for her and for him; all this Gertrude stuff; all this... all this.
And yes, yes of course and yes in particular! this one Oceiros always -- always -- was the one to be considered as "Tu vas me detruire" (and also "Hell fire, dark fire" for some points. And, oh, first of all, "Ты гибель моя" -- Russian version by Igor Balalayev (Игорь Балалаев). 
Thank you so much.

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GoddessOfChange In reply to PaleCaesar [2019-01-18 09:01:01 +0000 UTC]

Gwyneiros is my heart and soul. Two flawed people finding each other in times of distress, being in love, destined for great things... resulting in tragedy and loss because Lothric was like “hey dad, I know you don’t like religious people, you only tolerate Emma because you grew up together and think it’s all worthless and superstitious, but.... can I have this nice Pontiff as my teacher? You and mom said I could choose whoever I wanted, after all I am going to burn on the First Flame at some point in the future. Can I learn from him? Please?”

Too bad Sulyvahn was immediately smitten by the king. So skinny, so pale, so temperamental, those big eyes... followed by the distant laughter of Vordt and the Dancer and the desperate sighs of Gertrude, Dorhys, and all the Deacons and Knights and Evangelists that found the Pontiff himself attractive and are now left hopeless. I have a whole storyline about the great part Sulyvahn’s lust and obsession took in Oceiros’ downfall and descent into madness, I have a strong hatred for the whole “Oceiros was a terrible father and husband” trope, as I hate the trope in general (I’d rather have Gwyneiros be terrible together to the twins, but adorable to each other), but in the Sulyvahn situation, I see him as a victim. Sadly, one doesn’t ask to be stalked, groped, kissed against their consent and bribed into obedience by one fleeting chance to see their wife and child again.
I even have AUs in which Sulyvahn redeems himself and accepts that you can’t force love out of someone. But for the rest and the canon it’s all “choose me or your pyre, be mine or mad you’ll go”. And mad he went. Thanks a lot, Pontiff.

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PaleCaesar In reply to yisandra [2018-04-23 23:44:51 +0000 UTC]

если вам нравится итоги пересмотра, это же, наверное, здорово
да, правильно)) у меня тут еще несколько штук понтификов есть и сам горе-папаша тоже - их не перепутать

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